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I see Baruch's position as fundamentally honest and aligned with pragmatic reality. Despite having the brains to be a successful rootless cosmopolitan, he has firmly planted his feet in a place, a very *specific* place, come what may. To that, I say יישר כוח.

On the other hand, I think Maskil uses this platform to hash out some of his deeply held convictions, many of which are contradictory. There is an unresolved tension in Maskil's writing, almost a sense of intellectual torment, presumably originating in ideological rigidity, that I do not detect in Baruch. A lot of Maskil's writing comes off, to me at least, as convoluted, self-flagellating, and unnecessarily incendiary as he tries to place the blame for Israel's predicament exclusively on other Jews. I believe this is a misguided holdover from the exile.

I've tried, as you have, to get the two of them to talk to one another in some kind of moderated forum, but this has yet to come to pass.

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As an external Muslim viewer also interested in the Maskil Binah vs Baruch Hasofer fight it is interesting to see 2 ideas of future Judaism, also funny given they both hold very close ideas like religiosity and about HBD and would hate me IRL.

The issue I find is while Baruch is smart and he can keep pragmatic ideas about violence and conquest, many of his fellow Jews seem less capable of such grey thinking which is how Arabs got to the point of being led by fanatical retards.

Jews usually don't focus on the Arab side because why do it, but a lot of the base endemic dysfunctions of the Arab countries are being copied via osmosis in Israel (from what an external viewer can see) and while today the society is capable of leading a pragmatic, truth oriented and technically competent army/society there are some corroding forced which are decreasing the advantage year after year.

Notably after Oct 7th a lot of the global opinion soured because while everyone expects Arabs to be savages, Israelis always purported themselves to be a "shining beacon of democracy in the middle east" which they have not shown to be. This plus the whole Amalek shit, the far right taking power, Bibi and the establishment proclaiming to go after Turkey next (retarded move) this has put the idea in the heads of many normies that Israel will not stop even if its neighbours are pacified which is motivating them to pull away from Israel and more towards the neighbours. The land and population pressures seem to be putting some weight to this idea as well.

When I see the criticisms of Maskil Binah or others I feel a weird mix of rejoicement that Jews (overall) are trending to the same low level of retardation and short sightedness as their Arab neighbours and the martial attitude of Baruch confirms this direction and concern as on the other hand it is strange because I don't wish to have the same frustration the average Palestinian or Lebanese has to Jews because it is a kind of powerlessness of being led by retards you cannot do much about, because the enemy is worse and they actually want to take your land/kill you (what many think). So you accept the bad leadership because it is less worse than sure exile or death.

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